SPN 4x01: Lazarus Rising

[elleflies]

Normally I keep my commentary posts under a friends lock to one person only. There is a reason for this. The reason is I do not like Sam and everything I've tried to do to get over this raging hatred has not worked. I tend to lean heavy on the Sam bashing, so word of warning: I have unpopular fandom opinions *g* (although I don't think I was as bad with it as I usually am, which is why this post isn't as friends locked as the rest).

I finally got caught up with this episode. The beginning was fantastic, the middle flagged a bit and the end KNOCKED MY FRICKING SOCKS OFF.

Anyways, if you're vaguely curious as to the things floating through my head whilst watching this ep for the very first time...

I really should try and organize my thoughts because right now they are all over the place!



So, what’s with the music video? Enough recapping, get to the show please. Sam needs mocking and I need to mock. STOP IT.

Hey, eyeballs. I bet they’re Dean eyeballs. What? No more hell? Or is this still hell? Buried alive… that’d be kinda hellish. I’m still pulling for Hieronymus Bosch.

Zombie Dean! He wants brains. BRAAAIINNSSS. And Bitches. Zombie men don’t need beer, they need brains, but the bitches thing is universal.

It’s unusually sunny for this show.

Is Dean a meteor now? Because that’s what it looks like. And if he is alive, why didn’t Sam burn him? Was he hoping Dean would haunt him or something? Sam’s a dumbass.

I really wasn’t expecting this season to start off with Dean. I was thinking it would be Sam acting all emo.

Why aren’t his clothes ripped up?

Hi, Dean, you’re hot when you’re dirty.

Oh, Dean’s chest. NICE. Handprints? What in hell?

"Busty Asian Beauties" I’m telling you, beer and bitches. It never fails.

Look, Close Encounters of the Third Kind! You’ve been to hell Dean, now it’s time to go to SPACE!!!

I liked the aliens better when they just turned toys on rather then blowing up windows. Or is this more of dean being a meteor again?

I think I’d hang up too if a dead man were calling me. Hang up and get my number changed and go cry in the corner.

Wow Dean, white caddies do not suit you.

Oh hey, Bobby, look. It’s Dean! I love Bobby. I’d probably attack Dean with a knife too and then make him drink a gallon of holy water.

Yup, there the holy water is. God, I love you Bobby.

Thriller Video Reject. *worships at the alter of Dean*

Don’t get after Bobby.

Yup, see, Sam’s an asswipe. Shoulda went with the salting and burning and I’m thinking he did something he shouldn’t have done.

“What you would have done” Dean, it is what you did.

Wedge Antilles. *headdesk* GOOD GOD. Sam makes up worse names then Dean does.

Are we going to get to the Sam being emo now?

Oh hi, Sam. Shacking up with a girl now are we? INTERESTING. He’s probably her bitch.

Jared, you are still a really bad actor. When all else fails, flare your nostrils! Acting in the big time now.

"So, are you two together?" Wow, this show really caters to its fan base. I bet the cast and crew cruises the wincest fic and giggles themselves silly.

Oh *cringe* Sam has been hitting the girls HARD.

He tried to open the Demon's Gate? *raises eyebrow* does that mean that Sam's pain matters more then all the hellish crap he would have unleashed on everyone else just so he could get Dean out of hell?

Are we going to spend the whole season dealing with the 'pulling out' issue.

"Who do you think you are, your old man?" YES, that is EXACTLY who Sam is.

Bobby knows everybody. And I miss Missouri. Sam is wearing Dean's jewelry? And what exactly does that pendant mean?

Sam, you kinda suck. "So what's hell like?" I'd think that would kind of being like asking a soldier "so what is war like? did you kill anybody?" They HATE those questions.

Dean/Impala. That is the real OTP here. Dean is getting twitchy about his car. I really can't blame him.

She tried to burn him but she couldn't? For some reason I don't remember this but that might have something to do with watching the show at 3 in the morning.

This is really weird, Dean has been gone for 4 months and now it's all "BACK TO NORMAL"

I knew it would be a hot chick. It ALWAYS is.

Ouiji Boards are like telephones for these people. Good Grief.

Hello tramp stamp.

*jaw drops* This show REALLY knows it's fan base. Wincest threesome.

Did this actress basically get paid to hit on Dean? Because... can I have her job?

Those candles are a fire hazard. Apparently her eyeballs are too.

Well, there goes that threesome.

It's ALWAYS the hot girls. I want some grandma to be possessed by a demon and acting all hot and sexy.

"perky nipples" *DIES*

Godzilla. Now THERE'S a theory I'd like to see be true.

Dude, DEAN. I LOVE YOU SO MUCH. SLAP THAT BITCH! *FLAILS*

Do Sam and Dean not care about the fact that the Demons are wearing people and those people might be completely intact still? Because to not try and save the suit just seems like murder to me.

Sam is being emo again. Dean should have slapped his brother while he was at it.

Aliens did it. HAS TO BE.

Bobby is so awesome. This should be the Dean and Bobby show. Lets ditch Dean's annoying younger brother.

Sam, you liar. You're doing something, you asswipe.

See, up to something. Such a dipshit.

And look, another "I'm acting expression" the furrowing of the brow. Such nuance the nostril flare and the furrowing of the brow.

The Demon has the right idea at least - beat the crap out of Sam.

"It's the end" That's just so open ended. And look, Sam really is a liar. "no, Dean, I haven't been doing ANYTHING with my magic mind powers. HONEST"

At least he checked for a pulse and is showing some remorse. And I bet it's RUBY. And it is!

"It's cosmic" IT'S AN ALIEN!

"every faith on the globe" Has he covered Scientology? Because it sounds like he might need it. Xenu is BA-AACK

I liked the blonde Ruby better. "I'm not going to come between you" Fandom would have a hissy fit if she messed with their "twu wuv"

Now, that's a dramatic entrance. What style! What flair! A+ with an extra +

Don't hurt Bobby!!!

I like that it's not a hot chick. That's a difference. I could go into a whole "women = eve and are therefore responsible for sin which is why demon's prefer them" thing right now. But I'm not going to.

Angel of the Lord? Buh-what? I'm going with "angel of the lord" as codeword for "aliens"

NEAT WINGS.

Angels of the Lord burn out eyes?

Dean isn't special? He's plenty spe-shul.

What is the difference between a demon possessing someone and an angel possessing someone? Because it doesn't seem too different to me. Especially when you get that someone shot.

God commanded it. We have work for you.

HOLY CRAP THAT WAS AWESOME. Dean as agent of the Lord and Sam as agent of the Devil! DUDE!!!!!

Can it be next week yet?

Comments

[regala-electra.livejournal.com]

HOLY CRAP THAT WAS AWESOME. Dean as agent of the Lord and Sam as agent of the Devil! DUDE!!!!!

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs. FUCKING. YES. You don't even know how stokked I am.

Also I LOL at you thinking aliens. Never change.

And heh to encouraging Dean to hit an OMG WOMMIN MUST BE PROTECTED!!111 (as some on my flist have acted...not happily towards Dean slapping a fucking DEMON).

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

I am so full of FLAIL right now. I mean, this is going to be EPIC!

And I just un-friends locked this thing to see how badly my lovely fandom opinions go over. I must be feeling masochistic today *g*

So he can shoot her and knife her and insult her but if he slaps her that's somehow sexist? Would it have been better if he close-fist punched her?

[caithream.livejournal.com]

(REEEEEG I am SO TIRED of the stupid "misogyny" debate I COULD SCREAM. Did you hear about the one where it's misogynist now because angels are being represented as male and demons as females?? MY EYEBALLS ARE ABOUT TO BURST INTO FLAMES TOO, OK.)

ANYWAY, UM, YES, IS IT NEXT THURSDAY YET?? 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN CHECKING ALL DAY AND IT ISN'T YET. :(((

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

Ha! God bless SPN. Any chance to turn something into a "misogyny" debate and they are all over it. *shakes head* I noticed the whole Angels=Men Demons=Women thing but frankly didn't care because the guy playing the Angel was too awesome for words. Oh, and hey, the YED was a badass demon and he was a guy so where does that put him in this debate?

I need more SPN like NOW.

[caithream.livejournal.com]

I know! It's just, there's this one chick on my flist who will turn a BLIND EYE to everything else and focus right on those "misogynistic" points. I don't know. I mean, almost EVERYTHING they do with demons/good people/bad people are evened out to a point where I never noticed it until someone started bitching, the whole "racism" thing included. The thing that gets me is that someone counted up how many times Dean says "bitch" to a chick or acts like a dick to a chick or WHATEVER, and of COURSE there's going to be more when the females on the show TEND TO BE THE ANTAGONISTS. Dean would treat an antagonist male the EXACT SAME WAY. And it's like suddenly everyone's forgotten about season 2, when Dean had a healthy respect for Ellen and even TOLD JO: "Sweetheart, this ain't gender studies. Women can do the job fine. Amateurs can't."

ANYWAY, SORRY. Nothing has yet to piss me off as much as this whole debate! I will be staying far, faaaar away from that panel at Wincon, heh. Or at least be very drunk. For real.

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

I have a friend who quit watching over the Misogyny thing, except, I don't know if this makes me completely batty but I never really noticed it (I may have hung out with the military too much to really notice stuff like that).

They are demons, too treat them any other way because of their sex would be giving them an upper hand they shouldn't have. My running theory is not so much that the show is misogynistic, it's more that to cast dude after dude as a demon would leave the show fairly heavy on the dude scheme of things (not that I mind!) so they cast chicks to even it out. I think the casting for the angel was more as a "how do we make the Angel different when we mostly cast hot girls as demons" it also makes for an interesting foil against Ruby, because it would be odd for Dean to have his own good!ruby whilst Sam has evil!Ruby.

And another thing, if you're a demon trying to tempt somebody, why not take a form they find tempting. And in the show, it is canon that the boys are very very straight.

There's a misogyny panel at wincon?! You can come hang out with Reg and I and squee over how hot that Angel was as I will be skipping that panel!

[regala-electra.livejournal.com]

There's a misogyny panel at wincon?! You can come hang out with Reg and I and squee over how hot that Angel was as I will be skipping that panel!

Yes there's a panel. No I am not attending. Instead I welcome everyone to come watch Sorority Boys and Farscape's Scratch-n-Sniff episode with me and Memphis and Stef. Dude, Scratch-n-Sniff makes everything better (especially if some of us are a wee bit tispy!)

I may have hung out with the military too much to really notice stuff like that).

Heh, well yes you do but at the same time because of that you don't have any illusions as to how men really act. They're gross and often jerks and shouldn't be romanticized.

Besides isn't the trope about Angels is that they are usually presented as males (especially when they show up to announce tasks imparted by God?). Because every time I've seen an Angel pop up in fiction, it's almost always in a male visage, except for Angels in America. And that was possibly due to the angel of America being that we identify our country as female (heh) and that she has a sexual side to her as seen in the miniseries.

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

You said the magic word: Farscape. I am SO THERE. Noneveryoumind that I'm sharing the room with you and Stef.

Men, I've found, that when in their natural environment are grunty, scratchy, burpy, farty things who objectify women as much as women objectify men (I know I objectify men on a regular basis *g*). Women are just better at hiding these things - we're also not nearly as grunty, scratchy, burpy or farty.

You forgot about the most important female angels of all: Touched By An Angel. They were girl angels and they were saving souls (and my god I hated that show SO MUCH. It took Angel lore and covered it with bunnies and sparkles and sunshine)

[caithream.livejournal.com]

Raah, yes, that is exactly it, especially the part about if they would cast more demons as guys. Really, it's a lose-lose situation for the higher ups, because what the fuck else are they SUPPOSED to do?

Oh my goodness, that sounds like a FANTASTIC idea. And hey, I can even buy liquor this time around! *GLEE*

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

Maybe they should cast a transvestite. They'd have ALL their bases covered!

Maybe this time I won't be sick as a dog and will be able to actually drink!!

[caithream.livejournal.com]

HAHA, just cast Tilda Swinton! It worked for Constantine!

Aww, yeah, I forgot about that! Let's hope not!

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

It did work for Constantine. And it would probably be awesome on SPN. But my shallow little self thinks Castiel is quite the hotty.

That experience is burned on my brain.

[regala-electra.livejournal.com]

Me and Memphis have a DVD showing planned for the same time as the WinCon misogyny panel. So. We're not going and you're more than welcome since you're all AWESOME and everything.

[caithream.livejournal.com]

That sounds like a LOVELY idea. I'm sure we'll hear the screaming from five floors up, heh. Count me in!

[regala-electra.livejournal.com]

Ahahahaa we'll come down to like WWIII or something. Therefore I suggest we set up our own bar in whatever hotel room we wind up using for Avoiding the Misogyny Panel Theatre.

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

Maybe we should just go for broke and call it the "Celebrating Misogyny Theater" Men being men in all their un-pc, grunty, scratchy ways.

[regala-electra.livejournal.com]

By watching a movie where Michael Rosenbaum looks amazing in drag and John Crichton wakes up wearing thigh-highs and unsure if he screwed around with his male best friend?

Heh. I wouldn't exactly be celebrating misogyny. More like...celebrate happy gay funtimes.

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

You need to ask Rae about how I react to cross dressing on Television.

We're celebrating Misogyny by not participating in what you know is going to be a bitch fest

[regala-electra.livejournal.com]

Dude, I know how you feel about crossdressing. WHATEVER. It's my favorite flavor of kink. Deal.

Sigh. I just can't even think about how profoundly uncomfortable it is going to a panel about those issues. Even if I have sometimes had issues with SPN's sketchy gender problems, that just seems like a perfect storm. I am AVOIDING srs business at a weekend of debauchery, ya know.

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

We must go to some panels. But the misogyny one is just going to stoke the flames of fangirl rage and I foresee them just hurling slights at the show. I really don't want to be all huddled up in a corner wishing for a flak jacket.

[regala-electra.livejournal.com]

Well, we'll have to see what the panels will be! I dunno. I sort of feel burned out on meta but I may change my mind next month.

I really don't want to go to ANY panels that will be controversial, you know? I always wind up feeling awkward and I'm so contrary in nature that I (normally) can see both sides, which is how I can be a filthy slash AND het writer with gen every so often.

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

I want to go, just so I can laugh at the serious bizniss that is SPN fandom. I like watching people get pissed off over a tv show. It's like a really engaging train wreck.

[regala-electra.livejournal.com]

If it was a girl angel, Dean would spend most of his time hitting on the angel. I think God is smart enough to send a dude angel to deter Dean for...five minutes from hitting on the angel.

WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MALE DEMONS? LIKE THE TWO IN THE DINER? D:

NEXT THURSDAY WILL BE AWESOME. EVEN THOUGH I MIGHT MISS THE LIVE AIRING OF THE EP.

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

This is so completely true. The girl angel would have stormed in and instead of "Awesome walk of awesomeness" Dean would be all fixated on the "awesome bounce of her awesome breasts."

The male demons are always the flunkies for some reason, except for the YED. Who was, so far, one of the best baddies they've ever had.

[caithream.livejournal.com]

HA, YES, EXACTLY. I'm REALLY glad they represented Castiel as male (because um, like it you mentioned, most angels in the Scriptures ARE). AND YEAH, THOSE WERE FAT TRUCKER DUDES. I SEE NO SEXY CHICKS THERE.

[mrscutedean.livejournal.com]

DUDE I CAN NOT HANDLE THIS, AS A SAM GIRL A SHOW WITHOUT SAM IS THE DAY I TURN OFF, NIENTE, NO WAY. MY MANIFESTO IS WAINING IN YOUR LJ. GLAD YOU LIKED THE PREMIERE BUT I'D DEAL IF DEAN WAS LEFT IN HELL...SAM BEING LEFT OFF THE SHOW WOULD RESULT IN ME NEVER WATCHING AGAIN. I CAN NOT DEAL WITH OUR ALTERNATE REACTIONS. NO NO NO, THE BROTHERS WINCHESTER MUST ALWAYS BE TOGETHER, BOBBY HAS NOTHING ON SAM, NOTHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING.

[elrina753.livejournal.com]

I have unpopular fandom opinions! I've tried to like Sam, I really really have it's just it falls flat and I end up disliking him more. I don't understand where it comes from!

I put that disclaimer up on this post with you in mind. *g* There was no way I was foisting my unpopular fandom opinions off on people without some kind of warning as I like you too much to do that.

Keep on loving Sam! You do it so well!